A Mid-season review of my job at the Grand Canyon.
The other day, a fellow helicopter pilot called me to ask about my job at Papillon. His name is Dave and he’s an R22 owner/pilot like me. I’d met him last year (I think) at the airport in Wickenburg when he came through with his helicopter on a flatbed trailer. He calls himself a “scenery collector” and flies around the country taking photos of the scenery — especially interesting geologic formations — from the air. Now he works as the Chief Flight Instructor for a flight school/aerial photography outfit in Florida, but he’s always thinking ahead.
Dave had seen an ad for a job flying A-Stars in Hawaii. He thought that might be a nice job. (Oddly enough, I think so, too.) Trouble is, he has little or no turbine experience and he knows he can’t get a job like that until he gets some.
Dave was in St. George, UT recently and ran into one or two pilots I know. I don’t know if it was Rod, who flies a helicopter for fire contracts for Papillon or Dusty and Craig who work fire contracts with a SEAT. It might have even been Robin, who runs the helicopter flight school in St. George, or his brother Job, who runs the Millionaire FBO there. (I never realized I knew so many people in St. George. I’ve only been there twice.) Anyway whoever it was reminded him about me. He looked me up on my Web site and gave me a call. By some miracle, I was at my desk and answered the phone.
We had a nice chat. He said he called to find out about working for Papillon. He told me about the Hawaii job and brought me up to date on what he was doing. He said he was thinking of applying at Papillon to get some turbine time. What did I think of working there?
So I thought about it. I’d already been thinking about it, on and off, for the whole summer. But this time, I thought about it in a way that I could provide some kind of conclusion or recommendation.
And this is what I told him.
Working at Papillon can get exceeding tedious at times. I’m the low person on the experience ladder, so I haven’t been trained to do anything except the two basic tours we do: the 25-minute tour in the Dragon Corridor and the 50-minute tour in the Zuni and Dragon Corridors. So that’s what I do. All day long. On average, I make 10-14 trips into the canyon a day. Not much variety.
What can make the work interesting is the weather. Spring brings high winds, sometimes with gusts up to 50 knots before we shut down. That generates turbulence in the canyon when all that wind is rushing over all those weird formations and buttes. Summer brings isolated and scattered thunderstorms, mostly in the afternoon. The challenge is navigating around them without flying into a no-fly zone. Of course, when you get a bit close to one, it’s a bumpy ride. And if you fly under a storm in one of its early stages when you’re out in the canyon, you can expect severe updrafts or downdrafts. Good thing there’s that big ditch under you. And I believe I’ve already gotten a glimpse of what the autumn will bring: low clouds that float below us in the canyon or as ground fog on the north rim. Very pretty, but there will come a day when I have to fly around them, too.
The pay isn’t very good. I won’t get specific, but I will say that I could never survive on that pay. I’m not sure how the rest of the pilots do it. I’m very glad I have another job that I can do on my off weeks to make the money I need to maintain my lifestyle.
And living conditions in Tusayan or Valle are not very pleasant. Imagine sharing a double-wide trailer with three other pilots. Or sharing a fifth-wheel trailer with someone you’ll become very well acquainted with. The closest supermarket is 60 miles away. The closest movie theater (other than IMAX, which plays the same movie all the time) is about 100 miles away. Night life is limited. And everything in the area is extremely overpriced.
Doesn’t sound very good, does it? Well, I’m not finished. There are definite benefits to working at Papillon.
First of all, Papillon is willing to hire piston pilots with as little as 1,000 hours of PIC time. It will train those pilots to fly Bell 206 L-1 C30P Long Ranger helicopters, using a training program that’s very similar to the coveted Bell Transition Course. But rather than take the course in a classroom crammed full of other pilots, Papillon’s training classes are typically 2 to 6 people at a time. And if a pilot needs special attention (as I admit I did for a few things), he’ll get it. The Bell course costs about $6,000 plus living expenses while you’re in Texas for a week. Papillon’s course is free and they pay you while you take it. So there’s a definite benefit to getting transition training with Papillon.
But what’s better than just the training is the extremely challenging conditions you’re thrown into right after you finish. I’m talking about those winds plus flying at high density altitudes (Grand Canyon airport is at 6600 feet) near max gross weight. Only days after learning what torque was, I was battling to keep it under 100% when I took off. And by this time in the summer, it’s common to log 6 or more Hobbs hours a day. Every day. So building time is a definite part of the package.
And, of course, there is the end-of-season bonus that comes when Papillon cuts its pilots loose in October. That makes the pay a little more palatable.
I told all this to Dave. I told him that if he was willing to dedicate an entire summer to Papillon, he’d get the experience he wanted and needed to move on to a turbine helicopter position somewhere else. And, if he didn’t drop out in the middle of the season, he’d earn the respect of Papillon’s management, which could then be depended upon as positive job references.
I think he realized the benefits and the drawbacks. Like me, he doesn’t have to depend on a job like this to survive. He’s still thinking about it, but I have a feeling that unless something else comes along, he’ll be flying at the GC next year.
As for me, one season is enough. I know where I stand with the bosses. They consider me a “Sunday pilot” because I didn’t come to them with a strong background in commercial flying or flight instructing. It doesn’t matter that I have more cross country or solo time than any of their other piston pilot converters. It doesn’t matter that I made solo cross-country trips from Wickenburg to destinations in the Los Angeles area, the western foothills of the Sierra Nevada Mountains, and the western side of the Rockies in Colorado. It doesn’t matter that I’ve been doing tours and rides for the past three years when their other pilots were building time by teaching students how to hover. It doesn’t matter that I can perform as well as — or better than, in some cases — any of the other pilots, sitting in a cockpit for 6 hours straight sometimes, conducting tour after tour. No matter what I do or how I perform for the rest of the season, nothing will change that. So the chances of me getting more training and more varied assignments next year are pretty much nil. And I cannot bear the thought of cranking 50 to 80 passengers a day through the canyon every work day next summer.
So what will I do next summer? I’m thinking about barnstorming in my new R44…anyone want to come along for the ride?
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So If you don’t mind me asking do you do on your off time to survive? I’ll come for a ride in your new whirly bird.
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I have a question for you. I am looking at begining training, I already have my PPL fixed wing, and I have been looking at a few schools. But have you heard of helicopter academy? Look them up Helicopteracademy.com
0-300hrs. for 50k and a job offer after that. Your opinion would be great or if you have heard anythin about them. Thanks and thatr offer still stands for me to jump in your new bird. lol
You’re simply not going to get a decent paying job (or likely any job at all other than CFI) with only 300 hours.
Of course, after 300 hrs. he pays you 20 an hr to fly photo work til you get to 1000 hrs.
Okay, so let’s look at the numbers here.
First, I’d be VERY surprised if you got 300 hours for $50,000. That’s only about $167/hour. With R22s going for about $200 to $240/hour dual, you’re much more likely to get just 250 hours max. Read the fine print on the contract. Make sure you understand what the minimum number of hours will be. If you need 200 PIC for a commercial rating, that might be all they guarantee. And what happens when you want/need more?
Second, what RATINGS are they guaranteeing for that $50K? I’m assuming Private and then Commercial helicopter. How about CFI? Instrument?
Does the $50K include books and training materials, ground school, test fees, check ride fees? Is ground school one-on-one or in a classroom? What happens if you need/want additional one-on-one training?
Also, what kind of helicopters? Just R22 or Schweitzer? Do they include any turbine time? Larger models?
If you and another student fly together after you have your private certificates, do you have to share the flight time? In other words, both log PIC time for the same flight? (Believe it or not, there are some airplane flight schools that do this.)
Next, how many people are they training and promising jobs to? How much aerial photography work do they have to distribute among their “graduates”? Do you think you’ll get more than 10-20 hours a week of this work when there are other pilots competing for it? Can you live on $200-$400/week (minus taxes)? Do you realize that it could take you a year or more to get the additional 700 hours you need to meet the “golden” 1000 hours?
Are you aware that Robinson helicopter has issued a safety notice that specifically advises against low-time pilots doing aerial photography work?
Do they want the $50K up front? Are you prepared to make monthly payments on a loan while you train and build time?
I’m playing devil’s advocate here. There are a LOT of helicopter flight schools offering “programs” that will get you your ratings and promise you work. Few of the potential students ask the big questions: What am I really getting for my money and can I survive on the pay from that flying job long enough to build the time I need?
PLEASE don’t get suckered into one of these programs without knowing all the facts. Too many people get their ratings on programs like these only to discover that there isn’t enough work at the organization for them and all the other pilots. It’s common to give more work to preferred pilots, leaving the less preferred pilots to wait around and pick up the crumbs. Many of these folks wind up leaving the organization and trying to find work elsewhere. I get at least one resume a month from low-time pilots looking for a job.
Also keep in mind that as pilots return from military service in Iraq, they are getting preferential treatment from employers. The helicopter job market right now is flooded with low-time pilots coming out of these “program” flight schools; the big employers that pay the big salaries want pilots with 5,000 or 10,000 or more hours. So even if you do get your ratings and build 1,000 hours quickly, you’ll be competing with lots of other pilots for the decent jobs.
I don’t mean to paint such a dismal picture. I’m just trying to add a dose of reality. The flight schools make a lot of outrageous promises. Get the facts before signing up.
Try a few helicopter forums online and ask your questions there. You’ll find a much better mix of pilots to provide input.
Good luck!
Thanks, I have asked all those questions and I do know the majority of what you have written above. 50k takes you from 0-300 hrs. and it works like this, you pay $250 for 200hrs. which is 50k then you get 10hrs free doing photo contract work for him. then when you are at 300 hrs. he hires you to do more photo work and train students at the same time. the website is helicopteracademy.com
check it out and let me know what you think. It has been in business since 1986 and he says he has hired everyone of his graduates since then. Interesting program, eager to hear what you think. Also what type of flying do you do these days and you said you recieve resumes, what do you hire for? Take care
Oh ya and from 0-300 hrs. I would get my Commercial and CFI, because I already have my PPL in fised wing, and I would have to get my instrument for 10k. Doing the contract work pays 20 an hr. and I guess they have a huge contract so chances for tons of flying.
It seems like you have a pretty good handle on this organization.
I do get resumes but I don’t hire. I’m a single pilot Part 135 operator with just one pilot (me) and one helicopter.
Who do you fly for and where, what type of flying do you do?
Click the Flying link in the navigation bar for this site (https://aneclecticmind.com/category/weblog/flying/). You can read all about the flying I do.
Maria,
What do you think happens a decade after the market is flooded with low-time pilots (Market crash + Silver State)?
When there only 10 jobs and 30 candidates? How many of the 20 jobless are able to find a way to build enough hours to be employable? I imagine most have to simply find another job to afford to live, and pay back terrible loans that never made them money in the first place.
Or will the market always be flooded with low-time pilots? These are the things that keep me up at night..
That’s actually what happened back when Silver State was booming and right afterwards. I know SEVERAL Silver State graduates who wound up working in minimum wage jobs and some of them never became pilots. With so many pilots available, entry level job providers simply upped the experience requirements or got very picky about who they hired.
I don’t think the situation is the same now, but I don’t really know for sure. I do know that there are lots of vets with helicopter certificates coming into the job market. If I were hiring a pilot, I’d likely give a vet more consideration than a non-vet. But maybe that’s just me.